diff --git a/frappe/desk/form/load.py b/frappe/desk/form/load.py
index af8f63f071..31bef96f92 100644
--- a/frappe/desk/form/load.py
+++ b/frappe/desk/form/load.py
@@ -447,7 +447,7 @@ def get_title_values_for_table_and_multiselect_fields(doc, table_fields=None):
 
 	if not table_fields:
 		meta = frappe.get_meta(doc.doctype)
-		table_fields = meta.get_table_fields()
+		table_fields = meta.get_table_fields(ignore_virtual=False)
 
 	for field in table_fields:
 		if not doc.get(field.fieldname):
diff --git a/frappe/model/base_document.py b/frappe/model/base_document.py
index dbaf83a134..d9cf3989cc 100644
--- a/frappe/model/base_document.py
+++ b/frappe/model/base_document.py
@@ -61,14 +61,6 @@ TABLE_DOCTYPES_FOR_CHILD_TABLES = MappingProxyType({})
 
 DOCTYPES_FOR_DOCTYPE = {"DocType", *TABLE_DOCTYPES_FOR_DOCTYPE.values()}
 
-UNPICKLABLE_KEYS = (
-	"meta",
-	"permitted_fieldnames",
-	"_parent_doc",
-	"_weakref",
-	"_table_fieldnames",
-)
-
 
 def _reduce_extended_instance(doc):
 	"""Make extended class instances pickle-able.
@@ -458,6 +450,7 @@ class BaseDocument:
 			controller = get_controller(doctype)
 			child = controller.__new__(controller)
 			child._table_fieldnames = TABLE_DOCTYPES_FOR_CHILD_TABLES
+			child._non_virtual_table_fieldnames = TABLE_DOCTYPES_FOR_CHILD_TABLES
 			child.__init__(value)
 
 		__dict = child.__dict__
@@ -484,7 +477,14 @@ class BaseDocument:
 
 		return self.meta._table_doctypes
 
-	def _get_table_fields(self):
+	@cached_property
+	def _non_virtual_table_fieldnames(self) -> dict:
+		if self.doctype in DOCTYPES_FOR_DOCTYPE:
+			return self._table_fieldnames
+
+		return self.meta._non_virtual_table_doctypes
+
+	def _get_table_fields(self, ignore_virtual=True):
 		"""
 		To get table fields during Document init
 		Meta.get_table_fields goes into recursion for special doctypes
@@ -497,7 +497,7 @@ class BaseDocument:
 		if self.doctype in DOCTYPES_FOR_DOCTYPE:
 			return ()
 
-		return self.meta.get_table_fields()
+		return self.meta.get_table_fields(ignore_virtual=ignore_virtual)
 
 	def _evaluate_virtual_field_options(self, options):
 		from frappe.utils.safe_exec import get_safe_globals
@@ -581,12 +581,12 @@ class BaseDocument:
 		without worrying about whether or not they have values
 		"""
 
-		if not self._table_fieldnames:
+		if not self._non_virtual_table_fieldnames:
 			return
 
 		__dict = self.__dict__
 
-		for fieldname in self._table_fieldnames:
+		for fieldname in self._non_virtual_table_fieldnames:
 			if __dict.get(fieldname) is None:
 				__dict[fieldname] = []
 
@@ -645,11 +645,16 @@ class BaseDocument:
 		convert_dates_to_str=False,
 		no_child_table_fields=False,
 		no_private_properties=False,
+		*,
+		ignore_virtual_child_tables=False,
 	) -> dict:
 		doc = self.get_valid_dict(convert_dates_to_str=convert_dates_to_str, ignore_nulls=no_nulls)
 		doc["doctype"] = self.doctype
 
-		for fieldname in self._table_fieldnames:
+		table_fieldnames = (
+			self._non_virtual_table_fieldnames if ignore_virtual_child_tables else self._table_fieldnames
+		)
+		for fieldname in table_fieldnames:
 			children = getattr(self, fieldname) or []
 			doc[fieldname] = [
 				d.as_dict(
@@ -806,7 +811,7 @@ class BaseDocument:
 		"""Raw update parent + children
 		DOES NOT VALIDATE AND CALL TRIGGERS"""
 		self.db_update()
-		for fieldname in self._table_fieldnames:
+		for fieldname in self._non_virtual_table_fieldnames:
 			for doc in self.get(fieldname):
 				doc.db_update()
 
@@ -1524,3 +1529,8 @@ def _filter(data, filters, limit=None):
 				break
 
 	return out
+
+
+UNPICKLABLE_KEYS = frozenset(
+	prop for prop, value in vars(BaseDocument).items() if isinstance(value, cached_property)
+)
diff --git a/frappe/model/document.py b/frappe/model/document.py
index 76c6d8d1a2..4991dd4a6b 100644
--- a/frappe/model/document.py
+++ b/frappe/model/document.py
@@ -276,6 +276,8 @@ class Document(BaseDocument):
 		for fieldname, child_doctype in self._table_fieldnames.items():
 			# Make sure not to query the DB for a child table, if it is a virtual one.
 			if not is_doctype and is_virtual_doctype(child_doctype):
+				# Remove cache so that the virtual field loads again
+				self.__dict__.pop(fieldname, None)
 				continue
 
 			if is_doctype:
@@ -876,7 +878,7 @@ class Document(BaseDocument):
 			return
 
 		all_fields = self.meta.fields.copy()
-		for table_field in self.meta.get_table_fields():
+		for table_field in self.meta.get_table_fields(ignore_virtual=False):
 			all_fields += frappe.get_meta(table_field.options).fields or []
 
 		if all(df.permlevel == 0 for df in all_fields):
@@ -892,7 +894,7 @@ class Document(BaseDocument):
 					# hasattr might return True for class attribute which can't be delattr-ed.
 					continue
 
-		for table_field in self.meta.get_table_fields():
+		for table_field in self.meta.get_table_fields(ignore_virtual=False):
 			for df in frappe.get_meta(table_field.options).fields or []:
 				if df.permlevel and df.permlevel not in has_access_to:
 					for child in self.get(table_field.fieldname) or []:
@@ -1105,12 +1107,13 @@ class Document(BaseDocument):
 			msg = ", ".join(each[2] for each in cancelled_links)
 			frappe.throw(_("Cannot link cancelled document: {0}").format(msg), frappe.CancelledLinkError)
 
-	def get_all_children(self, parenttype=None) -> list["Document"]:
+	def get_all_children(self, parenttype=None, *, ignore_virtual=True) -> list["Document"]:
 		"""Return all children documents from **Table** type fields in a list."""
 
 		children = []
+		table_fieldnames = self._non_virtual_table_fieldnames if ignore_virtual else self._table_fieldnames
 
-		for fieldname, child_doctype in self._table_fieldnames.items():
+		for fieldname, child_doctype in table_fieldnames.items():
 			if parenttype and child_doctype != parenttype:
 				continue
 
@@ -1310,7 +1313,7 @@ class Document(BaseDocument):
 
 			return frappe.clear_last_message()
 
-		for fieldname in self._table_fieldnames:
+		for fieldname in self._non_virtual_table_fieldnames:
 			for row in self.get(fieldname):
 				row._doc_before_save = next(
 					(d for d in (self._doc_before_save.get(fieldname) or []) if d.name == row.name), None
@@ -1972,7 +1975,7 @@ def get_lazy_controller(doctype):
 
 		# Dynamically construct a class that subclasses LazyDocument and original controller.
 		lazy_controller = type(f"Lazy{original_controller.__name__}", (LazyDocument, original_controller), {})
-		for df in meta.get_table_fields(include_virtual=False):
+		for df in meta.get_table_fields():
 			setattr(lazy_controller, df.fieldname, LazyChildTable(df.fieldname, df.options))
 
 		lazy_controllers[doctype] = lazy_controller
diff --git a/frappe/model/meta.py b/frappe/model/meta.py
index 4c7a284ada..1fd4012973 100644
--- a/frappe/model/meta.py
+++ b/frappe/model/meta.py
@@ -221,8 +221,8 @@ class Meta(Document):
 
 		return set_only_once_fields
 
-	def get_table_fields(self, include_virtual=True):
-		return self._table_fields if include_virtual else self._non_virtual_table_fields
+	def get_table_fields(self, ignore_virtual=True):
+		return self._non_virtual_table_fields if ignore_virtual else self._table_fields
 
 	def get_global_search_fields(self):
 		"""Return list of fields with `in_global_search` set and `name` if set."""
@@ -482,23 +482,40 @@ class Meta(Document):
 			if get_datetime(recent_change) > add_to_date(None, days=-1 * LARGE_TABLE_RECENCY_THRESHOLD):
 				self.is_large_table = True
 
-	def init_field_caches(self):
-		# field map
-		self._fields = {field.fieldname: field for field in self.fields}
+	@cached_property
+	def _fields(self):
+		return {field.fieldname: field for field in self.fields}
 
-		# table fields
+	@cached_property
+	def _table_fields(self):
 		if self.name == "DocType":
-			self._table_fields = DOCTYPE_TABLE_FIELDS
-		else:
-			self._table_fields = self.get("fields", {"fieldtype": ["in", table_fields]})
-			self._non_virtual_table_fields = (
-				[]
-				if self.get("is_virtual")
-				else self.get("fields", {"fieldtype": ["in", table_fields], "is_virtual": 0})
-			)
+			return DOCTYPE_TABLE_FIELDS
+		return self.get("fields", {"fieldtype": ["in", table_fields]})
 
-		# table fieldname: doctype map
-		self._table_doctypes = {field.fieldname: field.options for field in self._table_fields}
+	@cached_property
+	def _non_virtual_table_fields(self):
+		if self.name == "DocType":
+			return self._table_fields
+
+		if self.get("is_virtual"):
+			return []
+
+		return self.get("fields", {"fieldtype": ["in", table_fields], "is_virtual": 0})
+
+	@cached_property
+	def _table_doctypes(self):
+		return {field.fieldname: field.options for field in self._table_fields}
+
+	@cached_property
+	def _non_virtual_table_doctypes(self):
+		return {field.fieldname: field.options for field in self._non_virtual_table_fields}
+
+	def init_field_caches(self):
+		self._fields
+		self._table_fields
+		self._non_virtual_table_fields
+		self._table_doctypes
+		self._non_virtual_table_doctypes
 
 	def sort_fields(self):
 		"""
@@ -961,14 +978,7 @@ def _update_field_order_based_on_insert_after(field_order, insert_after_map):
 			field_order.extend(fields)
 
 
-CACHE_PROPERTIES = frozenset(
-	(
-		"_fields",
-		"_table_fields",
-		"_table_doctypes",
-		*(prop for prop, value in vars(Meta).items() if isinstance(value, cached_property)),
-	)
-)
+CACHE_PROPERTIES = frozenset(prop for prop, value in vars(Meta).items() if isinstance(value, cached_property))
 
 
 def _serialize(doc, no_nulls=False, *, is_child=False):
diff --git a/frappe/model/rename_doc.py b/frappe/model/rename_doc.py
index a75552d0a3..ec0c1116f3 100644
--- a/frappe/model/rename_doc.py
+++ b/frappe/model/rename_doc.py
@@ -416,7 +416,7 @@ def rename_doctype(doctype: str, old: str, new: str) -> None:
 
 def update_child_docs(old: str, new: str, meta: "Meta") -> None:
 	# update "parent"
-	for df in meta.get_table_fields(include_virtual=False):
+	for df in meta.get_table_fields():
 		(
 			frappe.qb.update(df.options)
 			.set("parent", new)
diff --git a/frappe/modules/export_file.py b/frappe/modules/export_file.py
index 8686f68cc9..2cf19094d3 100644
--- a/frappe/modules/export_file.py
+++ b/frappe/modules/export_file.py
@@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ def export_to_files(record_list=None, record_module=None, verbose=0, create_init
 
 
 def write_document_file(doc, record_module=None, create_init=True, folder_name=None):
-	doc_export = doc.as_dict(no_nulls=True)
+	doc_export = doc.as_dict(no_nulls=True, ignore_virtual_child_tables=True)
 	doc.run_method("before_export", doc_export)
 
 	doc_export = strip_default_fields(doc, doc_export)
diff --git a/frappe/permissions.py b/frappe/permissions.py
index d1ff3933de..d00d556fa8 100644
--- a/frappe/permissions.py
+++ b/frappe/permissions.py
@@ -802,7 +802,9 @@ def has_child_permission(
 
 	if parent_meta.istable or not (
 		valid_parentfields := [
-			df.fieldname for df in parent_meta.get_table_fields() if df.options == child_doctype
+			df.fieldname
+			for df in parent_meta.get_table_fields(ignore_virtual=False)
+			if df.options == child_doctype
 		]
 	):
 		push_perm_check_log(
diff --git a/frappe/public/js/frappe/form/form.js b/frappe/public/js/frappe/form/form.js
index 8443d535d3..e649857fe8 100644
--- a/frappe/public/js/frappe/form/form.js
+++ b/frappe/public/js/frappe/form/form.js
@@ -1866,7 +1866,7 @@ frappe.ui.form.Form = class FrappeForm {
 		// returns list of children that are selected. returns [parentfield, name] for each
 		var selected = {},
 			me = this;
-		frappe.meta.get_table_fields(this.doctype).forEach(function (df) {
+		frappe.meta.get_table_fields(this.doctype, false).forEach(function (df) {
 			// handle TableMultiselect child fields
 			let _selected = [];
 
@@ -1887,7 +1887,7 @@ frappe.ui.form.Form = class FrappeForm {
 		if (frappe.meta.docfield_map[this.doctype][fieldname]) {
 			doctype = this.doctype;
 		} else {
-			frappe.meta.get_table_fields(this.doctype).every(function (df) {
+			frappe.meta.get_table_fields(this.doctype, false).every(function (df) {
 				if (frappe.meta.docfield_map[df.options][fieldname]) {
 					doctype = df.options;
 					return false;
diff --git a/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js b/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js
index 07b0f3bb44..08c6c54517 100644
--- a/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js
+++ b/frappe/public/js/frappe/model/meta.js
@@ -149,9 +149,17 @@ $.extend(frappe.meta, {
 		return docfield_map && docfield_map[fn];
 	},
 
-	get_table_fields: function (dt) {
+	get_table_fields: function (dt, ignore_virtual = true) {
 		return $.map(frappe.meta.docfield_list[dt], function (d) {
-			return frappe.model.table_fields.includes(d.fieldtype) ? d : null;
+			if (!frappe.model.table_fields.includes(d.fieldtype)) {
+				return null;
+			}
+
+			if (ignore_virtual && d.is_virtual) {
+				return null;
+			}
+
+			return d;
 		});
 	},
 
diff --git a/frappe/utils/data.py b/frappe/utils/data.py
index 5ff2105214..999c41d166 100644
--- a/frappe/utils/data.py
+++ b/frappe/utils/data.py
@@ -2150,7 +2150,7 @@ def get_filter(doctype: str, filters: FilterSignature, filters_config=None) -> "
 		meta = frappe.get_meta(f.doctype)
 		if not meta.has_field(f.fieldname):
 			# try and match the doctype name from child tables
-			for df in meta.get_table_fields():
+			for df in meta.get_table_fields(ignore_virtual=False):
 				if frappe.get_meta(df.options).has_field(f.fieldname):
 					f.doctype = df.options
 					break
diff --git a/frappe/www/printview.py b/frappe/www/printview.py
index 32bfd013ed..0c275f34e8 100644
--- a/frappe/www/printview.py
+++ b/frappe/www/printview.py
@@ -308,7 +308,7 @@ def set_title_values_for_link_and_dynamic_link_fields(
 
 
 def set_title_values_for_table_and_multiselect_fields(meta: "Meta", doc: "Document") -> None:
-	for field in meta.get_table_fields():
+	for field in meta.get_table_fields(ignore_virtual=False):
 		if not doc.get(field.fieldname):
 			continue